new cams

[olly_16]

i am thinking when i get paid on friday to get new cam kit as been told the valve springs could do with been changed and followers beeng changed. so what cam kit is the best as i am thinking maybe about spending bout 250 on the engine depending on how much i get paid.
1. which cam kit is best for my engine(998cc)
2. would i need to get it rolling roaded again
3. which websites are best to buy it off or do m&m do them?
4. what drive are they spider drive,peg drive or slot drive?

thanks olly

[Gr4H4m]

No2 - is a yes, it will change the characteristics of your engine.

[supadupacupa]

I'd look at a swiftune SW5, no question. You can run standard springs with it but I'd replace them ata matter of course. Swiftune can supply them too in kit form for the whole lot.

Deffinately new follower's, but nothing fancy really needed. Get them from Minispares or swiftune if poss, I've heard of others shattering.

I used to run one of these in my 998 cooper rally car, great cam, not lumpy with loads of torque.

Failing that Piper 255 or a 997 cooper cam.

Dont forget you will need to time it in properly too. I used a swiftune duplex set that has offset keyways to get it right. It wont slip neither, but you could get away with a offset woodruff key (minispares/minisport) if the timing is close and it is allot cheaper.

You may have to change the oil pump to match.

As far as i know, M&Ms dont do these kits.

Oh and I dont work for any of these company's!!

[Gr4H4m]

ooo a SW5 nice..... I had a quick look on their website and I was shocked at the price seemed good to me???

SW5 “Duplex Kit”

* Camshaft
* cam followers
* oil pump
* lock tab washer
* Alloy vernier duplex
* timing disc

Price £148.94

Kit in MPi steel blank cam £206.82

Add Double valve spring set to this kit £29.78

[supadupacupa]

I think that is very good value and it really is a great cam for fast road work.

Put's the torque just where you need it, people get too hung up on horse power figures. Great if your racing it flat out all the time but anything else you need torque.

That's the stuff that accelerates your car!!

[olly_16]

i like the look of sw5 kit duplex kit but i was thinking mayb go the whole hog and get the high lift kit.

[Gr4H4m]

i like the look of sw5 kit duplex kit but i was thinking mayb go the whole hog and get the high lift kit.

olly, if the rest of engine is a std 998 there's not much point. From what I have read on here, finity and the books most optimal lift is 1.3. Price per BHP you would be better with a stage 1 or if you have this then think about a new head, stage 2 or 3.

The best advice I have been given is read, read ,read ask questions of reputable engine workshops then work your own way over what seems to be the truth. When speaking to people there will always be the same topics cropping up.:D

[olly_16]

olly, if the rest of engine is a std 998 there's not much point. From what I have read on here, finity and the books most optimal lift is 1.3. Price per BHP you would be better with a stage 1 or if you have this then think about a new head, stage 2 or 3.

The best advice I have been given is read, read ,read ask questions of reputable engine workshops then work your own way over what seems to be the truth. When speaking to people there will always be the same topics cropping up.:D

yeh thanks for the advice mate just that i dnt know alot about the mini engine.i have worked with newer engines wen i was on a merchanics course. i will have a think wether to get a new head or not its an insurance issue atm and i havnt delcaired my stage on or alloys lol so if a new stage to head won't boost my insurance much i probs will do that.

[Gr4H4m]

yeh thanks for the advice mate just that i dnt know alot about the mini engine.i have worked with newer engines wen i was on a merchanics course. i will have a think wether to get a new head or not its an insurance issue atm and i havnt delcaired my stage on or alloys lol so if a new stage to head won't boost my insurance much i probs will do that.

The cam should make a differance. If your insurance CO has problems with the upgrades have a shop arround you will find someone to give you cover

[supadupacupa]

High olly, i presumed that you had the head sorted and the cam was the next stage.

If you are not presently building up the engine and it is in the car with no immediate plans to take it out. I'd do the head first. That sort of money would get you a cooper head and that would make a fair amount of difference straight away.

Putting a cam on a standard head will help but it is not just about how much lift it has, its also the profile and cam timing that creates the power.

If the engine is out then it would make sense to do the cam now and change the head later.

Hope this helps.

Oh and dont bother with 1.5 rockers on a 998. The sw5 has enough lift as is.

[TONYELF]

The cam should make a differance. If your insurance CO has problems with the upgrades have a shop arround you will find someone to give you cover

Hi Olly, I'm not up to advising on performance enhancement so I wont comment on that. BUT. imangine the worst scenerio.
You have done the coversions. you,re out on your own (as we drivers often are). You have a smash and are injured, you are carted away in the meat wagon to nearest A&E. Your car is trailered to a compound out of your reach.In the case of where the police arrange for it,s removal they will have it examined, run it through the PNC for MOT Insurance etc etc (the list is endless)
In the mean time the insurance assessor comes along and before you can say boo to a goose he announces "He hasn't declared this that and the other so he hasn't stuck to his part of the contract by not informing us therefore he's NOT insured." Ok as I said in the worst scenario. They can refuse to insure you again and if you don't declare that to the next insurance co. you won't be insured EVEN if they take your money and give you the Certificate they are quite within their rights not to pay out. In the meantime the police could prosecute you for not having insurance + whatever they want throw at you.
Sorry to be Blunt but it is always advisable to inform them of additions ect otherwise the complications that follow can be horrendous to say the least.
This also icludes notifying them of accidents whre you are not making a claim on them!

[olly_16]

yeh thats what i was thinking that. but as my dad has said and afew other people that if its acutualy under power now then what it was origonaly all you doing is tuning it up to its origonal state. i have afew options that i have to make my mind up on either get a new stage 2 head on it and declair that or get a bigger engine but that comes back to the higher insurance issue

[Gr4H4m]

yeh thats what i was thinking that. but as my dad has said and afew other people that if its acutualy under power now then what it was origonaly all you doing is tuning it up to its origonal state. i have afew options that i have to make my mind up on either get a new stage 2 head on it and declair that or get a bigger engine but that comes back to the higher insurance issue

Olly, Its wise words from Tony. If I were you I would check with the insurance Co as I think the question they ask is "Has it been modified". Getting caught out could cause you a great deal of problems, problems that you don't need in your life. I have a friend that had a lot of trouble with what he thought were minor details that is ending in them not paying out on a 17K car.

[Gr4H4m]

olly a good thread on cams if you are still going down that route.


http://www.minifinity.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=53751&highlight=

[olly_16]

i am going for a cam still but i just need to know what drive to go for as i dont have a clue and i have looked in my haynes manual and can't see anything. the options are. peg drive, spider drives and slot drive. which one do i go for

[olly_16]

some please help i need to know what drive i need to go for on the cams as my mum is lettin me have use of her credit card:D

[Gr4H4m]

mm I'm not sure I think I read somewhere it depends on what oil pump you have installed and if you change or don't change the timming setup. Most people I think switch to an adjustable setup so that the cam timming can be set spot on, if not you need to use off set keys. This is just from what I have read in the past, so you are better checking.

If you speak to the company that you are getting the cam from they should beable to advise.

[olly_16]

ahhh poop lol will have to add that to the list as its no me who is ringin the ppl 2mz its my mum because i am in work.